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The ultimate prove that the Israeli side got some morons of its own is the idiotic timing for the killing attempt of Rantisi.
To make things clear, I do not criticize the intention itself. Rantisi is a well known terrorist, one of the leaders of the Hamas - one of the most extreme terror organizations. However, Timing is everything, as smarter man then me once said.
I’m really interested to know who was the idiot that thought this is the right time for such a thing. I’m not even discussing the miserable results - It would have been more successful even if the pilots were getting off the chopper and kill him with bare hands! 5 missiles and what you kill is a mother and child? Damn it, guys, back to the Air Force School!
I’ll sum it up. It was an IDIOTIC TIMING, with Terrible performance. The guy responsible for this thing should be kicked in the ass and removed form his current post. Damn, he should get a trial for this idiotic desicion.
Update:
To make things more clear, I do not “accept that Israel is to blame” for any upcoming terror attacks attempts. The Hamas refused to recognized the Aqaba agreement even before the israeli attempt to kill Rantisi. They been trying to execute massive attacks inside Israel and succeeded in killing 4 Israelis and wound others. In addition, The Hamas allways announces it will “destry Israel with shahids”, I don’t think they have been silent lately that they can now “get more active”. Please note I critisize the stupid timing, not the action itself.
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I agree with your comment "timing is everything", and for that reason we should not be so quick to condemn this action. The Israelis have time and again said they are targeting "ticking bombs". So could it be that Rantisi was about to launch terror operations, which would have been stopped by liquidating him? And perhaps, this consideration outweighed any potential fallout and repercussions to the "road map".
I do agree, however, that the results were miserable.
Pure speculation. But I wonder if this attack was unsuccessful on purpose and if the timing was by design.
First Rantissi is unusual in that to western eyes he seems like a reasonable man. His english is excellent, he speaks in measured tones. Yet what he says is so jarring the the western mind. Having someone around like him as a spokesman for Hamas is good for Israel. He is not a caricature like others like Yassin. Westerners listen to Rantissi and get a better understanding of the evil of Hamas. So Israel doesn’t kill him. They merely let it be know that they could and would kill him.
The other day Rantissi rejected overtures by Mahmoud Abbas on a ceasefire. This was very disturbing, but did not provoke much outrage. Perhaps Israel needs to demonstrate that this is NOT Oslo 2. Israel will not tolerate peace agreements/overtures from Abbas and violence from Hamas, as it did during Oslo. Israel has given Abbas the opportunity to stop the violences. He chooses only to talk about a ceasefire. So Sharon shows, that if Abbas won’t stop the violence Israel will retaliate. He can’t allow this to be a repeat of the original Oslo. If so this action must take place immediatly after any attack against Israel.
Unfortunately the Israeli government doesn’t express itself well and is not offering any rational explanation for this action.
Civax,
First of all, I was so anxious to spout off that I asked a question/put a comment on the latest post, and didn’t realize you already answered it here!!
I agree with you 99%. But I’d add that I think Israeli actions *are* part of the problem, if only secondarily. Sharon is ultimately responsible for this. I do not believe for one moment he wants a peace agreement. I think he did this purposely to derail any possibility of negotiations.
here is where we disagree, Diana.
I, and many in israel, think sharon had changed in a way. He seems to be much more comfortale and ‘leftish’ then ever before. The feeling here in israel is mostly that he’s proving to be very responsible (well, at least much much more then he was expected to be!)
While I’m far of agreeing with everything my side is doing, and while there is no question that it takes 2 sides to battle, I honestly cannot see ANY way to finish the dispute.
The palestinian had several oppertunities to finish this nightmare and have a state of their own. They kept shooting themselves in the leg. I’m not saying we don’t have problems on our side but it is crystal clear to me that the current situation the palestinians are at now is the result of the poor leadership they have and the endless support they keep giving to terror groups.
The really sad thing about it is they I don’t think they are going to get any more reasonable in the coming future so I find it hard to believe there will be an end to the fighting.
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hmm reading what I’ve just wrote makes it look like I’m actually rightwing… hehehe.. (which I’m not) However, I had much more leftish opinions then I do now and I had to shift them right cause, well, the reality…
However, let it be clear I’m still in favore of a palestinian state, I do think Israel should remove some settlements (and kick the most extreme "mitnahalim" in the ass!) and I do think there should be 2 states living side by side. I’m also against executing targeted eliminations where there are innocent people around (and kids). Except that exclusion, I’m actually one of the big supporters i the targeted elimination method. Ticking bombs should be eliminated they minute they become ones.
How is there gonna be a Palestinian state with 200,000 thousand settlers in what should be their state?
Small and distant settlements will be removed. Contrary to the Palestinians, we’re a law country. Evacuations will be done in force if needed. We have already done these things when Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.
Large settlements areas will probably stay Israeli.
Of course, I do not know in advance what exactly be the percentage of the area given for the Palestinian state, but I guess it will be more or less the same area already discussed in previous agreements.
Ho - I’m sure there are going to be fights about what is a settlements and what isn’t. Hell, the Palestinians even claim some of the neighborhoods in Jerusalem are settlements! But as usual, they are just trying to get more then they deserve.
Just a little story - early this year there was a terror attack in Jerusalem just as a bus left one of the old neighborhoods. The Palestinians and the Arab media (and some stupid western newspapers) called the neighborhood "a settlement" and "an occupied zone". However, in the evening an old man appeared in the TV and radio and said that these are all lies - his grandfather bought almost all the land (which was empty then) way before ‘48 and once Israel declared independence he contributed that land to the country. The reports went to check his story and validated it.
The story was forgotten quickly in a country such as Israel where news never last most then several hours. However, this proved to me how lies can grow to be something everybody believes in. Even Israelis.
So back to the original question - if Israel will sign agreements that will require an evacuation of settlements - it will be done cause we can control our own people. By force if no other option. The question is - can the Palestinians do the same? Will they?
Civax, you sound so sure that you can control your extremists. Who was it who killed Rabin?
Ok, Diana, now you’re really overtrying…
The first time something happen it’s always a surprise. JFK was killed in the US and the states is hardly a country which you can hardly say that cannot control it’s people…
Evacuating settlements is something Israel has much experience in back from the days of the peace agreement with Egypt. It’s hardly anything new for the Israeli army and police forces. Settlements are being evacuated as I write this, btw. So your point is totally invalid.